For P a poset or lattice, let Id(P) denote the poset, respectively, lattice, of upward directed downsets in P, including the empty set, and let id(P)=Id(P)-{Ø}. This note obtains various results to the effect that Id(P) is always, and id(P) often, "essentially larger" than P. In the first vein, we find that a poset P admits no <-respecting map (and so in particular, no one-to-one isotone map) from Id(P) into P, and, going the other way, that an upper semilattice P admits no semilattice homomorphism from any subsemilattice of itself onto Id(P).
The slightly smaller object id(P) is known to be isomorphic to P if and only if P has ascending chain condition. This result is strengthened to say that the only posets P₀ such that for every natural number n there exists a poset P_n with idⁿ(P_n)≈P₀ are those having ascending chain condition. On the other hand, a wide class of cases is noted where id(P) is embeddable in P.
Counterexamples are given to many variants of the statements proved.

Tbilisi Mathematical Journal, Vol. 1(2008), pp. 89-103